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than 115,000 signatures by itself to, quote, peacefully grant the state of texas to withdraw from the united states of america and create its own new government. as "the washington post" dana milbank put it in a recent column, if obama were serious about being a good steward of the nation's finances, he would let them go. did you hear that? because many of those states are what dana milbank said are government takers, they take more in federal money than they pay in taxes. alabama gets $1.71 from the federal government for every $1 paid in taxes. louisiana gets $1.45 in federal aid for every $1 they pay in taxes. author of "bush's brain," and james braxton peterson associate professor of english at lehigh, and michael steele, former chair of the rnc and a political analyst here at msnbc. gentlemen, this is an extraordinary thing but let's talk about this, professor peterson, recent "daily beast" article you talked about using maps in 1859 to america today where states are petitioning to secede following obama's election. you write they were pro-slavery or open to slavery. this same collectiv
than 115,000 signatures by itself to, quote, peacefully grant the state of texas to withdraw from the united states of america and create its own new government. as "the washington post" dana milbank put it in a recent column, if obama were serious about being a good steward of the nation's finances, he would let them go. did you hear that? because many of those states are what dana milbank said are government takers, they take more in federal money than they pay in taxes. alabama...
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palestinians are going to be protesting that to the united nations. but at the same time hamas also responded quickly. today they're keeping protesters away from the fence. they don't want any more of these kinds of clashes with israelis see as provocations. so i think it's clear both sides do want the cease-fire to continue. they both have a very strong vested interest in doing so. and that kind of incident yesterday, which led to the unfortunate death of one palestinian, i doubt that will be repeated in the days to come. the emphasis on both sides is going to be on the next stage, which as you mentioned, which is outlining the details, dealing with the details of what the cease-fire is, what it leads to. what they've got so far is what they've called quiet for quiet. both sides not shooting. what's next is the beginning of the negotiations. it's quite clear what the two sides want although it's going to appear complicated. it's simple and it's basic. hamas wants the lifting of the blockade of gaza. israel wants the end of weapons smuggled into gaza.
palestinians are going to be protesting that to the united nations. but at the same time hamas also responded quickly. today they're keeping protesters away from the fence. they don't want any more of these kinds of clashes with israelis see as provocations. so i think it's clear both sides do want the cease-fire to continue. they both have a very strong vested interest in doing so. and that kind of incident yesterday, which led to the unfortunate death of one palestinian, i doubt that will be...
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nations, that is recognizing my country's right to exist, abandoning terrorism and violence, supporting peace, then the door is open to negotiations. but the bad news is i see no evidence of that so far. on the contrary, i think in many ways hamas is stuck in a very extreme position and the evidence for that we saw today. we had the bombing in tel aviv on the bus. and hamas praised that. they welcomed that. they said that was legitimate. and so as long as hamas is doing that sort of thing it is difficult to be optimistic. but if they do change, if they do moderate. if they fundamentally reserve some of their very hard line positions, the door can be opened. >> i mean, do you accept, though, obviously in the last eight or nine days, 30 times as many palestinians have been killed as israelis? so clearly, there is bloodshed on both sides. and israel is not blameless here, either. >> i think the most important issue, though, is what were we doing? i mean, this whole operation was not to take territory or change regimes or something grandiose like that. our operation was purely defensive. ou
nations, that is recognizing my country's right to exist, abandoning terrorism and violence, supporting peace, then the door is open to negotiations. but the bad news is i see no evidence of that so far. on the contrary, i think in many ways hamas is stuck in a very extreme position and the evidence for that we saw today. we had the bombing in tel aviv on the bus. and hamas praised that. they welcomed that. they said that was legitimate. and so as long as hamas is doing that sort of thing it is...
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how should the united states appear responding? as you assert, the legacy of islamic totalitarianism, you are saying it is an arab spring that ends with a totalitarian winter. >> we have choices in the middle east. we have a secular leading despot's to we chose to undermine and replace, mubarak, even duffy, and yet what is the replacement? the replacement, we knew from the get go, and we actually supported the muslim brotherhood yacht this who have a sharia supremacist outlook and were still, the late ambassador stevens unfortunately chose to go into the hotbed of libya which dates back to the worse. and promote overt people who we know from the pentagon report in august were directly aligned with terrorists. lou: we thank you for being with us. we will continue this conversation. the book is sharianight. straight ahead. president obama's first call after winning his second term went to president bill clinton. a, happened to governor chris christie? former clinton special counsel and steven haze of the weekly standard join us. amer
how should the united states appear responding? as you assert, the legacy of islamic totalitarianism, you are saying it is an arab spring that ends with a totalitarian winter. >> we have choices in the middle east. we have a secular leading despot's to we chose to undermine and replace, mubarak, even duffy, and yet what is the replacement? the replacement, we knew from the get go, and we actually supported the muslim brotherhood yacht this who have a sharia supremacist outlook and were...
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a 4-year-old sky named best in show out of 1,500 dogs in this year's national dog show. sky's handler has won three of the last four years. nice. >>> up next, that other shopping holiday. why small business owners hope tomorrow will be their day. and labor pains at walmart, why workers are planning to strike on the busiest shopping day of the year. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- you can stay in and share something... ♪ ♪ ...or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> the black friday frenzy in full force. this is macy's flagship store in new york. this is the scene at a toys 'r' us in connecticut where sales items are flying off those shelves. the chain is one of several stores that opened their doors thursday night. here is how it looks on the west coast. some die hard shoppers there in southern california. they came prepared with tents as they waited for stores to open. >>> so the mall
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nations and there's so many issues, andrea, that confront the united states from the global economic recession to the afghan war to iran and north korea to the arab revolutions to what's happening in egypt today, i really think that those are the issues that ought to be in front of our congress as well as our administration officials. >> nick, what do you think is going on? this seems to be a proxy war? >> well, it does. it does. i mean, obviously there are a lot of unanswered questions about benghazi and i've certainly believe that members of congress in both parties have a right and responsibility to asks those questions, but there are official commissions that will soon speak to those very questions. there's the commission headed by ambassador pickering and chairman mike mullen, former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, other by the u.s. government. these investigations have been done in a deliberate, comprehensive way and we will soon know what their findings are. i think it's better for us as a collective here in the united states, to wait for those commissions and not rush
nations and there's so many issues, andrea, that confront the united states from the global economic recession to the afghan war to iran and north korea to the arab revolutions to what's happening in egypt today, i really think that those are the issues that ought to be in front of our congress as well as our administration officials. >> nick, what do you think is going on? this seems to be a proxy war? >> well, it does. it does. i mean, obviously there are a lot of unanswered...
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united nations ambassador susan rice meets face t >>> welcome to cbs th"cbs this morning." ambassador susan rice meets with critics on capitol hill this morning. she will be asked about the attack that killed the ambassador to libya and why she suggested a few days later that the fatal assault was not as a result of a terrorist attack. >> possible replacement for secretary of state hillary clinton. margaret brennan is on capitol hill. margaret, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah and charlie. u.s. ambassador susan rice hopes to put that controversy to rest. if she is successful, it would remove the largest political hurdle to her nomination as secretary of state. rice is meeting right now behind closed doors with three of her most vocal critics, republican senator john mccain, kelly ayotte and lindsey graham talking behind closed doors to discuss classified material. the acting director of the cia, mike morel, is helping her answer questions and will accompany her to other meetings on the hill this week. an aide to mccain tells cbs news that rice requested this m
united nations ambassador susan rice meets face t >>> welcome to cbs th"cbs this morning." ambassador susan rice meets with critics on capitol hill this morning. she will be asked about the attack that killed the ambassador to libya and why she suggested a few days later that the fatal assault was not as a result of a terrorist attack. >> possible replacement for secretary of state hillary clinton. margaret brennan is on capitol hill. margaret, good morning. >>...
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>>> developing right now, we are about 45 minutes away from a united nations general assembly session that will result in a historic vote on palestinian statehood. there have already been rallies today in the palestinian territories in support of a resolution upgrading the palestinian's u.n. status to a nonmember state. the resolution is expected to win overwhelming approval in the general assembly despite strong opposition by the u.s. and israel. here's israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu earlier today. >> the palestinians must recognize the jewish state. and they must be prepared to end the conflict with israel once and for all. none of these vital interests, these vital interests of peace, none of them appear in the resolution that will be put forward before the general assembly today. and that is why israel cannot accept it. >> joining me now to talk more about this, former state department mideast officer joel ruben. also palestinian italian journalist and msnbc contributor willa jabroe. both israel and the u.s. say the resolution violates agreements to solve issues through
>>> developing right now, we are about 45 minutes away from a united nations general assembly session that will result in a historic vote on palestinian statehood. there have already been rallies today in the palestinian territories in support of a resolution upgrading the palestinian's u.n. status to a nonmember state. the resolution is expected to win overwhelming approval in the general assembly despite strong opposition by the u.s. and israel. here's israeli prime minister benjamin...
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joining me now is bill richardson, ambassador to the united nations from 1997 to 1998. he's also the former governor of new mexico. governor, thanks for being here tonight. >> nice to be with you, reverend. >> now, you've been in politics a long time. can you explain what mccain is is up to with these attacks? >> well, obviously the political season is on. it's unfortunate. i mean, the issue here is this. one, the president of the united states has a right to name their secretary of state. this is traditionally always been given by the senate to the president. there's never any debate. secondly, is susan rice qualified? she certainly is. she's worked on african issues, a road scholar, as u.n. ambassador she's been the one that tightened the sanctions on libya, on north korea. she's articulate. she knows the issues. she's a very hard worker. that's the issue, reverend. and if the president wants to nominate her secretary of state, we should just put the politics aside. she didn't know about this benghazi issue. so -- >> that's what i want to get to. they are accusing her
joining me now is bill richardson, ambassador to the united nations from 1997 to 1998. he's also the former governor of new mexico. governor, thanks for being here tonight. >> nice to be with you, reverend. >> now, you've been in politics a long time. can you explain what mccain is is up to with these attacks? >> well, obviously the political season is on. it's unfortunate. i mean, the issue here is this. one, the president of the united states has a right to name their...
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it once had 4,000 troops deployed in the war zone, among the most of any allied nation other than the united states. 88 french military personnel were killed during the country's 11-year commitment. >>> there are new details, joe, emerge bgt e-mails sent to jill kelley, a friend of david petraeus which ultimately exposed his affair with biographer paula broadwell. according to daily news broadwell sent kelley an anonymous message saying "i can make you go away." >> she's magic. >> the sender also posted of having powerful friends. the investigation into the e-mails also revealed general john allen was communicating with kelley. his nomination to serve as supreme allied commander of europe is on hold after some of those messages were described as flirtatious. a new gallup poll points to the scandal on general petraeus being considered once a presidential candidate. since january of his last year, his unfavorable marks are up 20%, his favorables are down 15%. >> if you look at those numbers, he still has four times the support as congress. >> that's true. i guess that's one way of looki
it once had 4,000 troops deployed in the war zone, among the most of any allied nation other than the united states. 88 french military personnel were killed during the country's 11-year commitment. >>> there are new details, joe, emerge bgt e-mails sent to jill kelley, a friend of david petraeus which ultimately exposed his affair with biographer paula broadwell. according to daily news broadwell sent kelley an anonymous message saying "i can make you go away." >>...
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i think susan rice has been an extraordinary ambassador to the united nations. she's smart, hard working, et c ethical, honest and just a superb candidate for secretary of state, if the president makes that decision. i find it mind-boggling that some of the gop senators continue to go after her. it's completely unjustified. and i can only conclude that having failed to deny the president a second term, they now want to deny him the cabinet of his choice. but that is a terrible disservice to the country. it's a terrible disservice to a dedicated public servant like ambassador rice. and it makes no sense whatsoever. i think they just refuse to take the facts for an answer. and what is -- is so mind-boggling, really, is that what the ambassador has said is exactly what the head of the national intelligence agency, the dni has said, james clapper. it's the same as general petraeus said. it's the same as the acting director morrell has said. so, if they have an issue, their issue is with the intelligence agency that provided that information to the ambassador, not wi
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she united statess it's ill equipped to be the nation's top diplomat for reasons that have little to do with libya. even in a town that rewards sharp el lows and sometime obscenities. near nearly 100 house republicans have sent a letter to the president urging them not to nominate her. is he willing to spend the political capital? >> i think he will if he decides she's the choice. we need to remember the house republicans have nothing to do with confirming secretary of states. i know susan rice, worked with her in the john kerry campaign in 2004. she has the skill and the judgment to be secretary of state if president obama wants her to be. >> it's unfair? >> completely unfair. it's a tough town and lots of people want to be secretary of state i suspect. and the press has a role to play here, but at the end of the day i think if barack obama, who's just been rere elected, would like susan rice to be his secretary of state, she will be. >> steve, chip, happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving. >> also making news this morning, investigators say they're questioning people in connectio
she united statess it's ill equipped to be the nation's top diplomat for reasons that have little to do with libya. even in a town that rewards sharp el lows and sometime obscenities. near nearly 100 house republicans have sent a letter to the president urging them not to nominate her. is he willing to spend the political capital? >> i think he will if he decides she's the choice. we need to remember the house republicans have nothing to do with confirming secretary of states. i know...
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it held pride of place at a demonstration to support a bid to gain observer status at the united nations for the palestinian state arafat spent his life trying to create two days after he was to be dug up and reburied. allen pizzey, cbs news, ramallah. >>> in massachusetts, officials are blaming a utility worker for a massive natural gas explosion. the blast friday night injured 18 people and damaged 42 buildings in springfield. the state fire marshal says the worker was responding to a gas leak when he accidentally punctured an underground pipe. and immediately called the fire department. >>> coming up mention, your weather forecast. and in sports a show of solid darety in indianapolis. two colts cheerleaders get buzzed for a good cause. yeah, i might have ears like a rabbit... but i want to eat meat! [ male announcer ] iams knows dogs love meat. ...but most dry foods add plant protein, like gluten iams never adds gluten. iams adds 50% more animal protein, [ dog 2 ] look at me! i'm a lean, mean flying machine [ dog 1 ] i am too! woo hoo! [ male announcer ] iams. with 50% more animal pro
it held pride of place at a demonstration to support a bid to gain observer status at the united nations for the palestinian state arafat spent his life trying to create two days after he was to be dug up and reburied. allen pizzey, cbs news, ramallah. >>> in massachusetts, officials are blaming a utility worker for a massive natural gas explosion. the blast friday night injured 18 people and damaged 42 buildings in springfield. the state fire marshal says the worker was responding to...
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it's a case by case basis and taken human rights organizations and united nations looking at it to pinpoint what they're stopping and not stopping. of course, it is also the movement of people in and out. palestinians in and out of gaza. that will be lifted, as well. but it's put a real strangle hold on the economy of gaza and something people who live there want to be released. the concern from the israeli side is what's going in and what's going out and are they preventing arms going in and it's -- it's a complicated issue. as i say, they did agree to easing some of it but we don't know what that looks like in the next 24 hours. >> time will tell. stephanie, thank you. stay safe. jim frederick is joining me, international editor of "time" magazi magazine. here we are in to the cease-fire territory. talking 24 hours ago -- >> yeah. >> thinking it was going to happen at that point. but egypt is basically the tent pole in supporting this and sponsoring and overseeing the implementation of this. how much stability is this going to provide to the ongoing talks of trying to have a durable out c
it's a case by case basis and taken human rights organizations and united nations looking at it to pinpoint what they're stopping and not stopping. of course, it is also the movement of people in and out. palestinians in and out of gaza. that will be lifted, as well. but it's put a real strangle hold on the economy of gaza and something people who live there want to be released. the concern from the israeli side is what's going in and what's going out and are they preventing arms going in and...
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as we reported here last night, america's ambassador to the united nations, susan rice, has broken her silence about the controversial remarks she made back in september about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. ambassador chris stevens and three other americans were killed in that attack. sharyl attkisson in washington has more on that tonight. sharyl. >> reporter: ambassador rice defended her comment from more than nine weeks ago when she said the benghazi attacks did not appear preplanned. she said that reflected the best intelligence at the time. >> i relied solely and squarely on the information provided to me by the intelligence community. i made clear that the information was preliminary and that our investigations would give us the definitive answers. >> reporter: but intelligence officials told congress last week they knew almost from the start that benghazi was likely the work of terrorists, perhaps affiliated with al qaeda. in an appearance on "face the nation" five days after the attack, rice gave no hint of that. >> we do not have information at present th
as we reported here last night, america's ambassador to the united nations, susan rice, has broken her silence about the controversial remarks she made back in september about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. ambassador chris stevens and three other americans were killed in that attack. sharyl attkisson in washington has more on that tonight. sharyl. >> reporter: ambassador rice defended her comment from more than nine weeks ago when she said the benghazi attacks did...
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. >> so it's not as if they're a united nations personnel monitoring this border crossing. >> no, it's a very surreal system where you actually don't run into any human beings for several steps of the process. it's all done through surveillance cameras, through doors being electronically opened for you and gradually, you know, as -- the closer you get with each door you go through, you're one step closer towards israel and one step -- they have examined you one step further. it's a fascinating system to see up close. >> yeah, but at some point, and you were there for what, three, four, five days? >> right. >> must have been scared out of your mind. >> you're definitely in a heightened state of awareness. i wouldn't say scared, because i've been in a lot of areas over the years. but it's always shocking to see the conditions that people are forced to live in, in a war zone. and to see what life is like for somebody who is the only difference between them and myself is the accident of birth and what zip code they were born into, and what -- that has determined what their life is like and
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ambassador to the united nations, speaking late today about her comments after the attack on the american consulate in benghazi in september. comments which john mccain would like to turn into the basis of a first giant confrontation. republican party which he believes he speaks for on foreign policy. and the newly re-elected president obama. joining us bob, great to have you here. happy thanksgiving. >> great to be here, rachel. >> could susan rice be secretary of state if the president wanted her to be? is this sort of john mccain spectacle trying to make an example out of her over now? >> you know, i don't know if it is over. i think he is going to keep on trying. i personally don't think that mccain can block this appointment if the president decides to make it. you know, it is really weird. you watch these clips and you watch all the times that mccain has been wrong and it is almost like slapstick, like this kind of hapless approach to foreign policy. the republicans are not just wrong on foreign policy on sunday morning, they're profoundly wrong in terms of their policies going forw
ambassador to the united nations, speaking late today about her comments after the attack on the american consulate in benghazi in september. comments which john mccain would like to turn into the basis of a first giant confrontation. republican party which he believes he speaks for on foreign policy. and the newly re-elected president obama. joining us bob, great to have you here. happy thanksgiving. >> great to be here, rachel. >> could susan rice be secretary of state if the...
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the senate's already voted on her once to be the ambassador of the united nations. it's not like -- i don't think anybody thinks she's not qualified to do the job. >> i don't think you can say that. john mccain was on tape questioning whether she was qualified. there's one, a powerful senator. >> he thought she was qualified before. i'm not sure what's changed. here's the problem with the entire debate. everyone is focuses, at least these three senators focus on susan rice. none focus on their former colleague, which is former senator hillary clinton. she's the secretary of state. she's the sitting secretary of state. she's leaving. guess what? the embassy security was directly under her purview and staff's purview. i'm not suggesting she did anything wrong. i'm suggesting they're barking up the wrong tree. the problem with these three senators, kelly ayotte, lindsey graham and john mccain, is they're barking up the wrong tree here. >> what is the tree that's appropriate if we continue with that metaphor? >> the sitting secretary of state. if they're concerned about
the senate's already voted on her once to be the ambassador of the united nations. it's not like -- i don't think anybody thinks she's not qualified to do the job. >> i don't think you can say that. john mccain was on tape questioning whether she was qualified. there's one, a powerful senator. >> he thought she was qualified before. i'm not sure what's changed. here's the problem with the entire debate. everyone is focuses, at least these three senators focus on susan rice. none...
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in a matter of days, over a week, the palestinian authority is going to go to the united nations and ask for nonmember observer status for palestine, is that not a joke when you are talking about state recognition on some level when you really have two countries, the west bank and gaza run by different groups and without any political unity? >> absolutely not. this is something that will be presented by the general assembly on behalf of the plo. as i explained to you earlier, the plo remains the sole representative of the palestinian people. on the contrary, it will definitely contribute to the expediting of the israeli military occupation. it will put the palestinians for the first time -- palestine will be an opened state by the member state of the united nations, which is occupying israel, and as the president explained, we are willing to engage in negotiations immediately with iz raeldz in order to solve all bilateral issues because all these issues outstanding issues must be resolved bilaterally between israel and the -- >> certainly there is a lot of support within many countri
in a matter of days, over a week, the palestinian authority is going to go to the united nations and ask for nonmember observer status for palestine, is that not a joke when you are talking about state recognition on some level when you really have two countries, the west bank and gaza run by different groups and without any political unity? >> absolutely not. this is something that will be presented by the general assembly on behalf of the plo. as i explained to you earlier, the plo...
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find out exactly what the united nations plans to do about it. can anybody say carbon tax? yeah, you can. back to nicole, today, what have we got. best buy a loser? why? >> well, yesterday we talked about their numbers. they were a loser yesterday about their same-store sales for yet another quarter. nine of the last ten quarters have shown decline. today, well, let's see, one analyst downgraded best buy. how about deutche bank? yep, how about bernstein. >> yep, jeffers, you get the point. and while they're doing well with mobile phones, appliances, tablet computers and e-readers, no on notebooks, gaming products. they're missing the numbers, off to the ten year low. stuart: that's analysts when they turn against you, it can be grim, can't it? nicole, thank you. dead flat market, but the market has reached 12-8. we're up 13 points. time is money, 30 seconds, here is what else we have today. i'm a capitalist and i lovemaking money and i don't blame stores for being open tomorrow. because the customers want to shop. is there something wrong when people don't want to spend hol
find out exactly what the united nations plans to do about it. can anybody say carbon tax? yeah, you can. back to nicole, today, what have we got. best buy a loser? why? >> well, yesterday we talked about their numbers. they were a loser yesterday about their same-store sales for yet another quarter. nine of the last ten quarters have shown decline. today, well, let's see, one analyst downgraded best buy. how about deutche bank? yep, how about bernstein. >> yep, jeffers, you get the...
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. >> susan rice has done a great job as our ambassador to the unit nations. of course, this decision about my successor is up to the president. >> still rice had to spend another rough day on capitol hill discussing benghazi with skeptical senate republicans. >> the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of the contentious presidential election campaign. >> i would just ask the president to step back for a moment and realize that all of us here hold the secretary of state to a very different standard than most cabinet members. >> one rice ally, senator joe lieberman tried to take the focus off of rice this morning. >> i hope we can focus on what i think are the more important parts of our investigation which is what did our government know and what could it have done before the terrorist attack to protect the lives of the americans who were there. >> don't forget something here. this is not susan rice's first political rodeo. he didn't suddenly appear from team obama land in 2008. she has a lot of friends in this t
. >> susan rice has done a great job as our ambassador to the unit nations. of course, this decision about my successor is up to the president. >> still rice had to spend another rough day on capitol hill discussing benghazi with skeptical senate republicans. >> the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of the contentious presidential election campaign. >> i would just ask the president to step back for a moment and realize...
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>> once this got to the united nations' general assembly the result is inevitable. the real issue is, as senator schumer highlighted it, it's with this political tool, club if you will, what will abbas do with this? and you know if you're an optimist, you say there's a slim possibility here that a re-elects president, potentially re-elected prime minister, netanyahu in the alex wagnelect january, can find a way back to negotiating process otherwise this just reinforces the current stagnation that we have within the middle east peace process. >> in terms of how this affects the men people, on the ground you have a long history here, what is your sense of this moment for palestine? >> well, the war in gaza empowered hamas more than ever. remember a year ago, israel negotiated with hamas, empowering hamas while abbas was submitting his first bid a year ago to the security council israel was negotiating with hamas and releasing 1,000 prisoners. every israeli policy, so far since netanyahu was in office four years has been to negotiate whether clearly or under the table
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ambassador susan rice for the first time at the united nations yesterday. she defended what she said on the sunday talk shows about the attack on the consulate in benghazi. >> when discussing the attacks against our facilities in benghazi, i relied solely and squarely on the information provided to me by the intelligence community. i made clear that the information was preliminary and that our investigations would give us the definitive answers. >> i want to bring in margie omaro and joe watkins, republican strategist. good morning to both of you. happy thanksgiving. >> good morning. >> this is time of peace and tranquility among the family. let's ask you this. with her having come out now, she's saying what in her own defense what she was given, her talking points, what she was told to say, intelligence given at the time. does this put any of this to rest, joe? >> i think that this is a good start for ambassador rice. she's somebody that has an impeccable background, phi beta kappa rhodes scholar, somebody well regarded in the international community and t
ambassador susan rice for the first time at the united nations yesterday. she defended what she said on the sunday talk shows about the attack on the consulate in benghazi. >> when discussing the attacks against our facilities in benghazi, i relied solely and squarely on the information provided to me by the intelligence community. i made clear that the information was preliminary and that our investigations would give us the definitive answers. >> i want to bring in margie omaro...
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into orbit, when no nation had put something like that -- up in space and had it stick there and the soviets did it first with sput nick, when they beat us in a race we were also running in, it was during president eisenhower's second term. second term. it's not like bad things and challenges and failures don't happen in first terms too. but there's something that we understand as americans to be as certain as death and taxes and that is if there's something that's going to suck in a particular presidency, it's probably going to happen in the second term. that's been true for so long that this white house has to be keenly aware of the famous second-term curse. and in fact, the president says he's aware of it. >> i don't presume that because i won an election that everybody suddenly agrees with me on everything. i'm more than familiar with all the literature about presidential overreach in second terms. we are very cautious about that. on the other hand, i didn't get reelected just to bask in reelection. i got elected to do work. >> it is explicitly with the context of difficult secon
into orbit, when no nation had put something like that -- up in space and had it stick there and the soviets did it first with sput nick, when they beat us in a race we were also running in, it was during president eisenhower's second term. second term. it's not like bad things and challenges and failures don't happen in first terms too. but there's something that we understand as americans to be as certain as death and taxes and that is if there's something that's going to suck in a particular...
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there's no united nations envoy. the united states doesn't have a presidential envoy to deal with this crisis. these are low-cost solutions. having that kind of international peace process that brings pressure to bear on the parties, rwanda supporting the rebels, uganda supporting the process, the government is creating problems in the east as well. they need to be preshed into looking at the root causes since this cycle of violence began. >> is there anything that people can link sometimes, you have people who are suffering, wars taking place in that area. >> yeah. thanks for asking for that because the link between all of us who buy these products, like laptops and cell phones, and the violence is congo is very direct. it's sourced from the congo. so a major international effort has -- is under way just like the blood diamonds movement a decade and a half ago for sierra leonne and trying to drive that international market, that supply chain to be a more peaceful and legally developed. so that's really the objective
there's no united nations envoy. the united states doesn't have a presidential envoy to deal with this crisis. these are low-cost solutions. having that kind of international peace process that brings pressure to bear on the parties, rwanda supporting the rebels, uganda supporting the process, the government is creating problems in the east as well. they need to be preshed into looking at the root causes since this cycle of violence began. >> is there anything that people can link...
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. >>> mahmoud abbas is heading to the united nations in hopes of achieving a lower level statehood status for his people. >>> rebels are claiming an important victory saying they now hold one military base in syria. amateur video posted on a social media website showed rpgs being fired during an overnight battle as opposition fighters captured a helicopter base which is near the capital of damascus. and the government bombing of a village near the capital reportedly killed at least eight children. they were just outside playing at the time. just horrible. >>> now for a look at your national weather, let's turn to nbc meteorologist bill karins. he is tracking that weather channel forecast with new video you just got in. >> yeah, there wasn't a lot of bad stuff over the weekend, but this video was found from hurricane sandy. we don't have a lot of pictures of what it looked like on the coastline of new jersey as we approached high tide that monday evening. you can see the water already over the seawall. this is probably three hours before the actual high tide. these waves were just crashing
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ambassador to the united nations. she's per sued u.s. interests including passage to revolutions, strict sanctions on iran and north korea. white house aids say she is favored by president obama to replace hillary clinton as secretary of state. rice's record, doing her job doesn't matter much to senator john mccain. what matters to the republican from arizona is rice went on television in the days after the deadly attacks in libya that killed chris stephens and three other americans and repeated the information the cia provided at the time. >> susan rice should have known better. if she didn't know better, she's not qualified. she has a lot of explaining to do. >> if appointed clears her of wrong doing besides not being very bright. i would do everything in my power from her being the united states secretary of state. >> i suppose i understand the republicans feel the administration hasn't paid a high political price for the benghazi attack. rice's performance on a few sunday shows should disqualify her. the president addressed this afte
ambassador to the united nations. she's per sued u.s. interests including passage to revolutions, strict sanctions on iran and north korea. white house aids say she is favored by president obama to replace hillary clinton as secretary of state. rice's record, doing her job doesn't matter much to senator john mccain. what matters to the republican from arizona is rice went on television in the days after the deadly attacks in libya that killed chris stephens and three other americans and...
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. >>> susan rice has done a great job as our ambassador to the united nations. this decision about my successor is up to the president but i'm very happy he has the opportunity with a second term to make a decision. >> secretary of state, hillary clinton, coming to the defense of his possible successor, u.n. ambassador susan rice. yet, the smear campaign against susan rice continues as more republicans pile on. rice had another tough day on capitol hill today. now, senate republicans are blaming rice for yet another security failure. the u.s. embassy bombings in kenya and tanzania 14 years ago. >> it troubles me so much is the benghazi attack in many ways echos the attacks of those embassies in 1998 when susan rice was head of the african region for our state department. >> senator bob corker in tennessee had a warning for the president. >> i would just ask the president to step back for a moment and realize that all of us here hold the secretary of state to a very different standard than most cabinet members. >> while republicans say they are concerned about su
. >>> susan rice has done a great job as our ambassador to the united nations. this decision about my successor is up to the president but i'm very happy he has the opportunity with a second term to make a decision. >> secretary of state, hillary clinton, coming to the defense of his possible successor, u.n. ambassador susan rice. yet, the smear campaign against susan rice continues as more republicans pile on. rice had another tough day on capitol hill today. now, senate...
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i mention that because journalism is frequently affected by national interest. to the degree the perception of what happened in the congo is less important than what happens in the united states, we do not cover it. we are engaged by what happens syria, but i do not know if shed a great deal of light. i know you began by asking what is happening in gaza and what i think about that. >> yes. >> any time israel is involved in a story, did becomes excruciatingly -- id becomes excruciatingly difficult to cover, because there is a sense of identity in this country with israelis, and many reporters, old friends and colleagues of mine used to be criticized for taking an anti- israeli point of view. he spent many years living in the arab world and had a sympathetic. of view to arabs. -- point of view to arabs. i think what is happening in gaza right now meets in the definition of tragedy. the israelis cannot be expected to stand by while their cities are rocketed. on the other hand, the idea that the israeli defense forces are equally professional, the number of casualti
i mention that because journalism is frequently affected by national interest. to the degree the perception of what happened in the congo is less important than what happens in the united states, we do not cover it. we are engaged by what happens syria, but i do not know if shed a great deal of light. i know you began by asking what is happening in gaza and what i think about that. >> yes. >> any time israel is involved in a story, did becomes excruciatingly -- id becomes...
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i mention that because journalism, like foreign policy, is frequently affected by national interest. to the degree that there is a that what happens in the congo is less important to the united states, we don't cover it. we are infinitely more engaged right now in what's happening in syria, but the coverage of what's happening in syria is not bad but i don't know that it's shed a great deal of light and part of the problem is, even there, you were asking about -- i know you began by asking about what's happening in gaza right now and that i what i think of k konk -- coverage of that, i did hear you correctly? >> yes. >> any time israel is involved in a story it, becomes an excruciatingly difficult story for american journalists to cover because there is a -- for the most part -- a natural sympathy in this country, a sense of identity in this country with israelis and many reporters, old friends and colleagues of mine, the late peter jennings, used to, i think, very unfairly be criticized for taking an anti-israeli point of view. it wasn't so much an anti-israeli point of view as that
i mention that because journalism, like foreign policy, is frequently affected by national interest. to the degree that there is a that what happens in the congo is less important to the united states, we don't cover it. we are infinitely more engaged right now in what's happening in syria, but the coverage of what's happening in syria is not bad but i don't know that it's shed a great deal of light and part of the problem is, even there, you were asking about -- i know you began by asking...
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nations. i mean, is it possible that, somehow, there is in this conversation the possibility of how romney could play a role, either using his influence, if he has some, or be in some position? >> well, it's a fascinating question, and we know that president obama has an affection for doris kearns goodwin's team of rivals, and he no longer has democratic rivals that he can pick from, so you know, he can now turn to governor romney. the question is what role would he play? he certainly really doesn't have a role to play in the immediate negotiations. he has no influence over house republicans, and that's where the game is, basically helping john boehner find the votes to get something through the house, but could he have a larger relationship with business or, you know on that question or >>> for every extreme athlete you see on video, there's a c camera man or woman risking their own skin. >> reporter: extreme photography in extreme locations. that's coming up on "cbs this morning." >> announc
nations. i mean, is it possible that, somehow, there is in this conversation the possibility of how romney could play a role, either using his influence, if he has some, or be in some position? >> well, it's a fascinating question, and we know that president obama has an affection for doris kearns goodwin's team of rivals, and he no longer has democratic rivals that he can pick from, so you know, he can now turn to governor romney. the question is what role would he play? he certainly...
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nations didn't deserve to be singled out. she was only doing what the white house communications operation told her to do on those sunday talk shows. let's see how this plays out and i don't think that senator mccain has the support in his own republican senate caucus to launch a filibuster. >> quickly before i let you go, fascinating "washington post" article speculating on the future of secretary of state hillary clinton and talked about how she has remade american diplomacy by visiting countries she didn't have to visit and championing smaller initiatives as well and includes this quote, the answer to the question of whether hillary clinton will run for president in 2016, whether she will seek a job with the most power to do the most good of all is another question f whether she can keep herself from it. what do you think? >> craig, i have had the privilege of knowing the secretary for 35 years and the fact is that in the state department she is redefined the diplomacy of soft power and her travels have taken her to help f
nations didn't deserve to be singled out. she was only doing what the white house communications operation told her to do on those sunday talk shows. let's see how this plays out and i don't think that senator mccain has the support in his own republican senate caucus to launch a filibuster. >> quickly before i let you go, fascinating "washington post" article speculating on the future of secretary of state hillary clinton and talked about how she has remade american diplomacy...
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. >> just to be clear, when you have a position where you're ambassador to the united nations, you go well beyond unclassified talking points in your daily preparation responsibilities for that job. >> so right now, senator john mccain is speaking as part of a panel forum on syria. we're going to monitor that event. but joining me now is former white house press secretary joe lockhart to talk more about this. it's been a wild hour, definitely, to see the three senators come to the microphone and make news about the fact that they believe there is more trouble to come. they've got more questions than they do answers. a lot of fire being thrown out when a lot of people speculated, joe, maybe this would help tamper down all the criticism to susan rice. how do you think the reaction has been? do you find this to be typical? >> yeah, you know, the washington post described it as bizarre. i'll call it a very strange and weird strategy. there are legitimate questions to ask about this. any time american lives are lost, particularly those, ambassado ambassadors, those who put their lives at r
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nations has remained under fire. we'll also touch on black friday. joining me is anna navarro. good morning. >> good morning, carol. good morning. >> good morning. on to our first topic. is overover, anna? >> well, it sure has a nice ring to it. i say good job to chambliss. your pledge should be to your country, your god, your spouse. that's what it is. i come at this from the jeb bush school of thought. couple of months ago he was being asked about this in congress and he said you don't outsource your convictions. that's exactly the right thing to say and the right thing to think. you should act because that's how you want to act. not because you are being held bound by some pledge. >> and maria, what does this mean for talks on the fiscal cliff? >> well, i actually think it's positive. because it gives republicans lee way to do the right thing. and chambliss was right on in basically saying he cares more about his country. i wasn't at the -- was at the dnc in the early '90s. when bush won he said this is my pledge.
nations has remained under fire. we'll also touch on black friday. joining me is anna navarro. good morning. >> good morning, carol. good morning. >> good morning. on to our first topic. is overover, anna? >> well, it sure has a nice ring to it. i say good job to chambliss. your pledge should be to your country, your god, your spouse. that's what it is. i come at this from the jeb bush school of thought. couple of months ago he was being asked about this in congress and he...
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an important vote is expected this afternoon in the united nations general assembly. palestine palestinians are asking to be upgraded to nonmember state. if it passes it is a u.n. recognition of palestine statehood. mahmoud abass is in new york to witness the vote. the united states, israel and other western countries oppose this move by the palestines. palestinians. more than a dozen european countries are supporting this rez lug. the uk says it may vote yes pending a couple of conditions. the u.s. has supported a two-state resolution for palestinians and israelis. why do american officials oppose u.n. recognition? >> for the most part it won't give the palestinians what they want, which is an actual state. this vote is largely symbolic. it would have no effect on the palestinian sovereignty or borders or any of the things they're looking for. israel is vehemently opposed to this vote. it said it threatened to cut off aid to the palestinians, impose new checkpoints if they do so. what the u.s. is fearing here is that if this vote goes ahead, and we see that it's pret
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nations where the palestinians are seeking some legitimacy, the other palestinians, the fatah wing, mahmoud abbas is coming to new york to have a vote in the general assembly which will be a largely symbolic vote on statehood, especially after hamas has flexed its muscles and said military and not diplomacy is the way to legitimacy internationally, it seems loom foolhardy on the part of the palestinians. >> first of all, what's going on, you're president abbas, you've just been seen to be basically irrelevant to what's going on. supposedly gaza, which is part of any palestinian state, you have no influence or control over. so this is also a way to remind everybody that he's still there. now, the problem with it is, is that it is symbolic. it doesn't advance the cause of peace or palestinian interest but it's his way of trying to demonstrate relevancy. the real question is, is there a way to get beyond this so we get away from what's purely symbolic and move on what is substantive? as long as we're focused on symbols, we see a perpetuation of the palestinian history which leads to mo
nations where the palestinians are seeking some legitimacy, the other palestinians, the fatah wing, mahmoud abbas is coming to new york to have a vote in the general assembly which will be a largely symbolic vote on statehood, especially after hamas has flexed its muscles and said military and not diplomacy is the way to legitimacy internationally, it seems loom foolhardy on the part of the palestinians. >> first of all, what's going on, you're president abbas, you've just been seen to be...
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we haven't changed like this in the united states for a long time. we don't have the national leadership telling us we have to change how we live our lives. >> we're getting that from you. we're getting that from you, reverend billy talen. >> thank you for talking to me. >>> straight ahead, everyone, on a completely different note. we have gunfire in gaza. we have live reports in your region coming to you at the top of the hour on nsnbc. ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. this season, discover aleve. on black friday, it doesn'ty bird...or matter,liest bird? as long as we end up here at 5 a.m., or at homedepot.com, starting thursday. where prices have been cut, chopped, and sanded... on the most powerful tools that cut. ...chop... ...and sand. so we, or somebody on our list, can do the same. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. the early bird gets a special buy on a ryobi two-piece lithium-ion kit, just $99.
we haven't changed like this in the united states for a long time. we don't have the national leadership telling us we have to change how we live our lives. >> we're getting that from you. we're getting that from you, reverend billy talen. >> thank you for talking to me. >>> straight ahead, everyone, on a completely different note. we have gunfire in gaza. we have live reports in your region coming to you at the top of the hour on nsnbc. ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone...
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. >>> the other big story we're watching for you, a second round of sitdowns for united nations ambassador susan rice, who's in an all-out campaign of her own to face her critics. after three republicans issued blistering comments yesterday, this morning rice is meeting with republican senator susan collins of maine and in an hour is expected to meet with senator bob corker of tennessee. rice's harshest krit eks are still vowing to block her potential nomination as next secretary of state. >> i think everybody gets to, one, be nominated, and, two, go through the hearings and the debate and discussion. but right now i would be very hard-press hard-pressed. >> what they're suging is that she said things for political reasons three weeks before the election. >> what's the long game, willy? what are they doing? this doesn't help the republican party. >> that is the big question. what is the long game? let's dig down. we have our wednesday political power panel, msnbc contributor joanne reed, managing editor for the gree owe, msnbc contributor arty melbourne, also a cords for the nation, and re
. >>> the other big story we're watching for you, a second round of sitdowns for united nations ambassador susan rice, who's in an all-out campaign of her own to face her critics. after three republicans issued blistering comments yesterday, this morning rice is meeting with republican senator susan collins of maine and in an hour is expected to meet with senator bob corker of tennessee. rice's harshest krit eks are still vowing to block her potential nomination as next secretary of...
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republicans blasting the unit as wasteful and a distraction to the agency's mission. the cia is not saying whether it was closed by budget constraints or political pressure. the agency will continue to monitor climate change and its impact to our national security but not in a stand-alone department. >>> in "the san francisco chronicle" clothing optional is not about to be an option. nudists are losing the right to bear it all. they passed a measure banning public nude did. when they passed this law, people decided to bare it all. nudists have filed a lawsuit saying the ban violates free expression rights. >> i was not aware that you can walk around like that. >> it's true, but i keep saying, it's a little chilly by the bay. >> you have to layer. in some cases, maybe not. 14 minutes past the hour. secretary of state hillary clinton wrapping up her meeting this morning with palestinian authority prime minister mahmoud abbas. the secretary of state is trying to broker a cease-fire in gaza. a little later on she'll meet again with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyah
republicans blasting the unit as wasteful and a distraction to the agency's mission. the cia is not saying whether it was closed by budget constraints or political pressure. the agency will continue to monitor climate change and its impact to our national security but not in a stand-alone department. >>> in "the san francisco chronicle" clothing optional is not about to be an option. nudists are losing the right to bear it all. they passed a measure banning public nude did....
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highest military spending nations combined. those 10 nations together -- together spend about 50 -- 450 billion. we spent 800 billion. now here is the trick. our money is heavily invested in sophisticated military hardware. very sophisticated pieces of equipment, which truthfully impact our domestic economy. but the truth of the matter is the discussion about budgets from having put many, many budgets together is not a discussion just about money. it is a discussion about priorities and values. and we have to determine, you know, to me when you talk about what the deal is to be made, to sequester includes deep cuts in the military. and many on the right and mini and communities with error bars, military contractors that employ a lot of people will art in to avoid this military cuts. what we have to say is the nation as it is important that we prioritize education, infrastructure right alongside of trying to have security that comes from having a strong military. so we have to realize that we have got to talk -- we've got to tal
highest military spending nations combined. those 10 nations together -- together spend about 50 -- 450 billion. we spent 800 billion. now here is the trick. our money is heavily invested in sophisticated military hardware. very sophisticated pieces of equipment, which truthfully impact our domestic economy. but the truth of the matter is the discussion about budgets from having put many, many budgets together is not a discussion just about money. it is a discussion about priorities and values....
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a united nations official expressed serious concern saying this could cause a volatile situation. >>> a woman clowning around near the tomb of the unknowns and a worker that took the picture was fired. she was snapped pointing her middle finger shouting near an arlington national cemetery sign that asked for silence and respect. they took that on a paid trip by their employer. >>> halle berry's ex-boyfriend released on $20,000 bail, after getting into a fight with her current fiance outside her l.a. home thursday. gabriel aubry was hospitalized and later arrested on battery misdemeanor charges. aubry and halle are in a bitter custody dispute. >>> it is back in business this morning. mary thompson joins us from the new york stock exchange. good morning. >> good morning, thomas. markets close early this post holiday session. investors are looking to build on recent games. s and p and nasdaq up the last four sessions. what's on focus? retail stocks, given we had the official kickoff for the shopping season, many yesterday. also investors watch greece where they continue to look for progr
a united nations official expressed serious concern saying this could cause a volatile situation. >>> a woman clowning around near the tomb of the unknowns and a worker that took the picture was fired. she was snapped pointing her middle finger shouting near an arlington national cemetery sign that asked for silence and respect. they took that on a paid trip by their employer. >>> halle berry's ex-boyfriend released on $20,000 bail, after getting into a fight with her current...
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spending nations combined. those ten nations together, together spend about 450 billion. we spend 800 billion. now, here is the check. our money is heavily invested in sophisticated military hardware, very sophisticated pieces of equipment which truthfully impacts our domestic economy. but the truth of the matter is to the discussion of budgets, having put many, many budgets together, is not a discussion just about money. it's a discussion about priorities. we have to determine. and to me, when you talk about where the deal is to be made, the sequester includes deep cuts in the military, and many on the right and many in communities where there are a large military contractors that deploy a lot of people. a bargain to avoid those military cuts, but what we have to say as a nation is, it is important to that we prioritize education, infrastructure right alongside of trying to have security. so we have to realize and talk. we have to talk about the military budget in a way where we say, it's possible to have a sa
spending nations combined. those ten nations together, together spend about 450 billion. we spend 800 billion. now, here is the check. our money is heavily invested in sophisticated military hardware, very sophisticated pieces of equipment which truthfully impacts our domestic economy. but the truth of the matter is to the discussion of budgets, having put many, many budgets together, is not a discussion just about money. it's a discussion about priorities. we have to determine. and to me, when...
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he needs the help of the international community and the united states. so he's got to carefully try to balance these two issues. i think he recognizes that a conflict along, you know, egypt's border with israel is not in egypt's interest any more than it's in israel's interests. so -- but these are people who have long been in opposition and they're having to learn to balance these political calculations as they go forward. >> right. and there's no rest after election day when you're the active president. p.j. will stay with us as we turn to another discussion right on point with president obama's foreign policy team. many republicans are attacking ambassador susan rice, a top candidate to replace secretary of state clinton. the senate has spiked some key nominations from president obama before, from elizabeth warren to nobel peace prize winner peter diamond. there is one number that suggests obama is likely to win this battle. we will look at the math after the break on "now." so you say men are superior drivers? yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice o
he needs the help of the international community and the united states. so he's got to carefully try to balance these two issues. i think he recognizes that a conflict along, you know, egypt's border with israel is not in egypt's interest any more than it's in israel's interests. so -- but these are people who have long been in opposition and they're having to learn to balance these political calculations as they go forward. >> right. and there's no rest after election day when you're the...